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Nov, 21, 2013
Dear friends, this is too funny. BMC joined Talesfromthelou a few days ago. Her first post on the Quenelles
blew the roof of this blog off. We’re getting hit 2291 times per hour.As I am writing this, the post we are talking about (link right above) has had almost 8000 hits. Never seen anything like that.
I must make a post of it, as it is a cool story, and a nice way to remember BMC’s intro to Tales. Well done BMC. It’s like a hole in one in golf. The first time ever. Wow.
I watched the interview. From my understanding, Dieudonné M’Bala M’Bala, makes a clear distinction in his words between antisemitism and antizionism. He says he is not antisemitic. He is the latter.
Here’s a sample of some of the comments. They are all in the comments section of the blog. I Google Translated a few for those who don’t read French. Suffice it to say that it is not respectable language. The French are very passionate people.
We are including a quick video of the controversial man in question, Dieudonné M’Bala M’Bala, at the bottom of the post. It’s translated. He is a popular French comedian that advocates for Islam. Can you see the sparks grinding?
“Ferme la a jamais, sale collabo.”
Shut yer mouth forever traitor!
“Ferme ta gueule nana mouscouri !”
Shut up your face Nana Mouskouri! (No idea why this is an insult)
“Ils sont cons comme Dieudonné”
They are all imbeciles like Dieudonne
“Dieudo is anti-zionisme not antisemitic, he denounced the Zionist power in France and in the world ’cause one day he made a sketch of Israel and the media have accused of being Nazi. Wake up and welcome to the revolution through humor and “quenelle” American people..”
“I’ll answer you in French because it is distressing , you saw them or convictions Dieudonné for antisemitism? The charges were dropped in Belgium (the most recent ) and he has lost two of the 40 + minutes that he did. Not the tocarde , do not invent facts to give you the importance and give a semblance of justification. The scoop has never been a rallying anti-Semitic and I ‘m pretty sure even you know.
The dumpling HAS never been , and never WILL be a racist symbol , this article was on point it’s just about sticking it to the Man. As for her comments about Dieudonné , They are far from the truth , the thing is , you can do joke about blacks, Asians , Caucasians , Catholics , Muslims , if you talk about goal Zionists people attack you with the term ” antisemitism ” Because everybody Seems to be scared of this word , as if it was beyond racism . Please just do your own opinion about this , try to do research , look at some Time of the Old shows (he is seriously competing for best comedian Richard Pryor all time ) but do not take everything for Granted That is said in the news as our friend About did NaNa?
“Here we go again …
I’m also French, and the “Quenelle” is definitely not an anti-Semitic gesture !
You’re a part of these people who are trying to give this gesture a meaning it doesn’t pretend to have !”
“In the french medias, you are now ans “islamo-nazi” if you are among Dieudonné followers….but it’s ok to support people like : Polanski….does this name rings a bell in US ???”
A little clarification from a fellow French and Dieudonné fan: it is not just fuck the system or state, it is fuck the elite, fuck any patronizing or controlling person or structure, fuck any pseudo-official impostor, any servile figure speaking in line with the system (like popular commercial artists)… you name it. The better way to summarize it is: SIGNE D’INSOUMMISSION (“GESTURE OF REBELLIOUSNESS”, “SYMBOL OF REBELLION”, or, literally “SIGN OF UNSUBMISSIVENESS”).
Perhaps the author of this article was to prude for this precision, but the length measured by the folded arm against the stiff one symbolizes how far up they can stick it. Hence Dioudonné expressions “a 175cm quenelle” (175cm=69”), “a shoudlered quenelle”, or “a quenelle up to and including the head”.
“I’m french and I have to say that democracy is totally over in our country. The “Human rights” concept now applies to only non catholics, non-white, and left-wing people, churches are being regularly attacked by extreme left-wing roaming gangs in a total indifference from the authorities, people are tagged as “fascists” or even “Nazis” as soon as they start opposing themselves to the system… This country has become so stinky that my family and me are actually planning to leave France forever before it gets too late. Hollande and his government are the worst leaders since a while and our history as a nation is constantly being fouled and severely bullied every day.
Guys as Dieudonné or Soral are demonized for denouncing all that… etc… If you really want to know more about violence in our country, please read “La France Orange Mecanique” from Laurent Obertone and you’ll have an idea about what France has become nowadays…
Those who still believe France is still a democracy should come here see by themselves! I lost my beautiful country and I’m really sad!”
Thank you all for the entertaining comments. For those of you who read French, it’s still raging on. Go to the comments section of Tales.
Gordon Duff does not mince words and the words are horrifying. The US is negligent in the safeguarding of their nuclear arsenal, and right-wing religious deluded fanatics have taken over the Air Force, which looks after the nuclear arsenal. Their goal is to bring in Armageddon and the return of Christ.
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Pope Francis continues to shake up the Catholic Church. As Raw Story noted, he criticized what he called “ideological Christians” at mass last Thursday.
Francis said that ideologies are “rigid.” “When a Christian becomes a disciple of the ideology, he has lost the faith: he is no longer a disciple of Jesus, he is a disciple of this attitude of thought,” Francis said, according to Radio Vatican.
Francis added: “The faith becomes ideology and ideology frightens, ideology chases away the people, distances, distances the people and distances of the Church of the people. But it is a serious illness, this of ideological Christians. It is an illness, but it is not new.”
Francis’ comments on “ideological Christians” come a month after he criticized the Catholic Church’s obsession with gays, abortion and birth control.
What a macabre story. Is this the best that Islam can offer? No mercy and utmost cruelty towards others? I can’t even imagine the horror of the poor man when he wakes to find that he is going to die, Again. This is an example of what can happen when people think they have God on their side. Lou
Morgue workers spotted that 37-year-old Alireza was alive a day after he was hanged for possessing crystal meth
On an autumnal Wednesday earlier this month, Alireza, a 37-year-old man jailed for smuggling drugs and sentenced to death in Iran, woke up to what was supposed to be his last day alive. Outside his cell in Bojnurd prison, in Iran’s northern Khorasan province, the gallows were waiting and the countdown had already begun.
Just before sunrise, the guards hooked ropes around his neck and hanged him for possessing a kilo of crystal meth. Exactly 12 minutes later medics pronounced him dead and sent his body for burial. But in the morgue the next day, something unusual caught the eyes of a worker who was preparing the corpse for family collection: steam in the plastic cover he was wrapped in. He was still alive.
Alireza was instantly taken to Bojnurd’s Imam Ali hospital.
Now, to the dismay of his family, Iranian judicial authorities are waiting for him to make a full recovery before they hang him again, according to the state-run Jam-e-Jam newspaper, which was first to break the news of Alireza’s ordeal.
Iran’s judiciary has argued that he was sentenced to death, rather than to hanging, and should be re-executed. But human rights activists, already concerned about Iran’s high rate of executions, say he should be spared.
A nurse told Jam-e-Jam that Alireza’s general health was satisfactory and he was making progress day by day. “We couldn’t believe he was still alive when we went to collect his body,” a relative told the Iranian newspaper. “More than anyone, his two daughters are very happy.”
Mohmmad Erfan, a judge with Iran’s administrative justice court, told Jam-e-Jam: “The sentence issued by the revolutionary court is the death penalty … in such circumstances it should be repeated once again.”
Alireza, whose surname has not been published by the Iranian media to protect his identity, was arrested three years ago for carrying and possessing Shisheh, an Iranian nickname for methamphetamine in the form of crystal, which among many other drugs such as opium is relatively cheap to buy in the Islamic republic. A revolutionary court found him guilty and sentenced him to death.
Under Iranian law, convicts should be conscious and relatively healthy before execution – hanging is delayed for people who are pregnant or in a coma. When someone is sentenced to death by stoning in Iran, for instance in adultery cases, if they manage to climb out of the ground after being buried up to the neck or somehow survive the ordeal, their life is spared.
As a neighbour of Afghanistan, a leading producer and supplier of the world’s drugs, Iran has high rates of drug use, especially among its huge number of young people. In order to tackle this, Iranian authorities have launched a campaign, with financial aid from Europe, to crack down on drug smuggling, which has led to an alarming rate of executions in the country.
In recent years, Iran has remained among the five countries with the highest rates of executions. China tops the list. In 2012, Iran is known to have executed at least 314 people, according to figures released by Amnesty International, but this number could be far below the true number of executions in the country. Iran says most of the executions are related to drug offences.
Since Hassan Rouhani took office in early August as the new president of Iran, at least 125 people have been executed.
“While Rouhani was elected on promises of change and human rights reforms, there have been at least 125 executions since his inauguration on 4 August, with dozens of other prisoners sentenced to death or facing imminent execution,” said a joint statement issued by the International Campaign for Human Rights in Iran and the Iran Human Rights Documentation Centre. Iran’s judiciary is independent from Rouhani’s government and its chief is appointed by the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Amnesty, which has long campaigned for the abolition of the death penalty globally, said the plan to send Alireza to the gallows again was wrong.
“I am appalled by the ghastly plan to ‘re-execute’ a man who had been hanged, certified as dead and whose body had been turned over to his family before he revived,” Amnesty’s Drewery Dyke told the Guardian.
“Drug trafficking is a serious criminal offence and while the authorities need to do their utmost to combat the scourge of drug use in Iran, use of the death penalty is wrong and out of step with international standards. Carrying it out twice on man who somehow managed to survive 12 minutes of hanging, who was certified as dead and whose body was turned over to his family is simply ghastly. It betrays a basic lack of humanity that sadly underpins much of Iran’s justice system.
“History and experience indicates not only that that the death penalty is not working in the fight against drug trafficking and use, but that it has heaped even more misery upon Iranians. None more so than in this appalling instance.”
10. Oct, 2013
On October 10, 1580, after a three-day siege, an English army beheaded over 600 Papal soldiers and civilians in Ireland.
In the decades following the religious turmoil brought about by the Protestant Reformation, the various Christian groups of Europe battled each other in wars to either assert their religious independence or to forcibly convert their enemies.
One of the most infamous examples of religious violence occurred in the British isles where King Henry VIII founded the Anglican Church primarily to divorce one wife so as to marry another. Henry’s reign is remembered for his having executed two wives and being succeeded by monarchs, two of his Protestant children and one Catholic, who faced a series of serious religious tensions. After all, his first daughter, the Catholic one, is even known to history as “Bloody” Mary.
The Raw Story
An agnostic led his town’s City Council in a prayer Monday to protest the regular practice before government functions.
Steve Vincent said he was surprised to learn that each City Council meeting begins with a prayer, and he became particularly irritated during an online discussion with neighbors about a “Celebration of Faith” held earlier this year by Rancho Cordova’s community council.
Vincent said he became a legally ordained minister online as a member of the “Pastafarian” Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster – a process he said was free and took about five seconds.
The community council granted his request to give the invocation, which cannot be sectarian or disparage any other faith.
Vincent used his invocation to cast doubt not only on the existence of God, but also whether such displays are appropriate in a community government setting.
“God? I’m not sure if you’re there,” Vincent said during his invocation. “You’re an agenda item on our government meeting. I’m not sure that’s what you had in mind for prayer, God.”
Vincent said he hopes others from less mainstream faiths will sign up to give the invocation.
“Let’s get Scientologists and Wiccans and everybody to come pray,” he said. “The more the merrier.”
The graffiti on a building in Belgium says it all: “Welcome to ‘Belgistan.” In fact, some are now calling it the Muslim capital of Europe…
The results also varied between country and religion. For example, spiritual participants from the U.K. were found to be more than three times more likely to be depressed than their secular counterparts.
Those who practised varying religions showed the highest rate of depression – 11.5 per cent – followed by Protestants at 10.9 per cent, those without a specific religion at 10.8 per cent, and Catholics at 9.8 per cent.
Along with the U.K., residents of Spain, Estonia, Portugal, Chile and the Netherlands were involved in the study, which is called “Spiritual and religious beliefs as risk factors for the onset of major depression: an international cohort study.”
The researchers concluded “these results do not support the notion that religious and spiritual life views enhance psychological well-being. There was no evidence of religion acting as a buffer to prevent depression after a serious life event.”
Despite only select countries being included in this new research, past studies have found the parts of the U.S. with the highest religious rates also have the highest depression rates, according to Guardian Express.
Earlier this year, however, the U.S.-based National Center for Biotechnology Information released a study done at the University of Saskatchewan that found a 22 per cent lower risk of depression for monthly church attendees.
That data came from the Canadian National Population Health Survey between 1994 and 2008. Most of the monthly churchgoers in that study were also “older, female, and married,” the study noted.
What do you think of the recent study? Do you feel happier with or without religion or a sense of spirituality in your life?
September 20, 2013
Tunisian women have traveled to Syria to wage ‘sexual jihad’, performing intercourse with dozens of Islamist fighters and returning home pregnant, Tunisia’s Interior Minister Lotfi ben Jeddou told MPs.
The Tunisian girls “are [sexually] swapped between 20, 30, and 100 rebels and they come back bearing the fruit of sexual contacts in the name of sexual jihad and we are silent doing nothing and standing idle,” the minister said during an address to the National Constituent Assembly on Thursday.
“After the sexual liaisons they have there in the name of ‘jihad al-nikah’ [sexual holy war] they come home pregnant,” ben Jeddou continued.
Ben Jeddou did not elaborate on how many Tunisian women had returned to the country pregnant with the children of jihadist fighters.
Former Mufti of Tunisia Sheikh Othman Battikh in April said that 13 Tunisian girls “were fooled” into traveling to Syria to offer their sexual services to rebels fighters.
The mufti, who was subsequently dismissed from his post, described the so-called “sexual Jihad” as a form of “prostitution.”
“For jihad in Syria, they are now pushing girls to go there. Thirteen young girls have been sent for sexual jihad. What is this? This is called prostitution. It is moral educational corruption,” Al Arabiya cites the mufti as saying.
Some Sunni Muslim Salafists, however, consider sexual jihad as a legitimate form of holy war.
The sexual Jihad Fatwa made its first appearance in Syria several months back. It allows for fighters to enter sexual relations with a woman after agreeing upon a temporary contract that loses effect after a few hours, Fars News reported in August.
The temporary nature of the contract allows the woman to have sex with multiple partners a day.
In August, general director of public security service in Tunisia Mostafa Bin Omar said that a “sexual jihad cell” had been broken up in an area west of the country known for its concentration of Al-Qaeda fighters.
Bin Omar told Al Arabiya that Al-Qaeda affiliate Ansar Shariah was offering minor girls with their faces covered as sexual offerings for jihadist fighters.
Meanwhile, Bin Jeddou said the Interior Ministry has banned 6,000 Tunisians from traveling to Syria since March 2013. Eighty-six more individuals had been arrested on suspicion of forming ‘networks’ that send Tunisian youth for ‘jihad’ to Syria.
He also hit back at human rights groups who criticized the government’s decision to ban suspected militants from leaving the country. Many of those facing travel bans are under 35 years of age, he said.
“Our youths are positioned in the frontlines and are taught how to steal and raid [Syrian] villages,” Bin Jeddou said.
Hundreds of Tunisian men have set off for Syria to wage jihad against the government of President Bashar Assad, while thousands more have joined the ranks of militant Islamists in states like Iraq and Afghanistan over the last 15 years.
Findings about evangelical Christian beliefs in the US come alongside push by evangelical leaders for increased awareness
Wednesday 18 September
Nearly half of evangelical Christians believe mental illness can be overcome by Bible study and prayer instead of medical intervention, according to a survey.
Lifeway Research found that 35% of Americans and 48% of those who identified themselves as evangelicals believed that people with serious mental disorders can overcome their illnesses with “Bible study and prayer alone“.
Ed Stetzer, president of Lifeway research, a Christian research organization connected to the chain of stores with the same name, said the results showed that churches needed to work harder to address the issue of mental illness.
“I would say that if your leg is broken, you’re going to believe in prayer, you’re going to believe in scripture, but you’re probably also going to have some medical intervention,” Stetzer said.
“You have to distinguish between character change and mental illnessand I think that’s sometimes hard for people to do,” he added.
Stetzer said he hoped to see more Christians embrace a holistic approach to mental illness, embracing the medical intervention alongside with prayer and scripture.
Of the 1,001 people surveyed, 35% of Americans said they believe in the statement: “With just Bible study and prayer, ALONE, people with serious mental illness like depression, bipolar disorder, and schizophrenia could overcome mental illness.”
Of the respondents who self-identified as either born-again, evangelical or fundamentalist Christian – 48% agreed.
When asked whether churches could be doing more to prevent suicide, 54% of Americans agreed, while 64% of the self-identified born-again, evangelical or fundamentalist Christians agreed.
“I think churches have in many ways been on the sidelines of the mental health issue,” Stetzer said. “I hope this conversation really pushes people forward into really engaging and administering. I think this is a place Jesus would be, caring for those, administering to those that are hurting.”
Lifeway research is set to conduct another study in the next few months to examine what churches are doing, and what they can do better, to address people’s struggles with mental health.
The megachurch pastor Rick Warren addressed the issue earlier this week, the first time he has done so since his son Matthew committed suicide in April. Warren, who founded Saddleback Church with his wife in 1980, a group that now boasts 20,000 weekly worshippers, told CNN that he hoped to reduce stigma about mental illness.
Warren said that his son suffered from borderline personality disorder and depression. Matthew Warren had also been forcibly admitted to a mental institution and attempted to overdose on pills ten days before his suicide.
“If love could have kept my child alive, he’d be alive today, because he was incredibly loved,” Warren said.
Warren and his wife Kay said their son had access to good healthcarebut they had some issues with laws designed to protect patients. “The right to privacy and that right to autonomy, it’s a dance,” she said. “I don’t have good answers. It’s a dance. So we’ve got to do a better job with that.”
In June, Frank Page, the former president of the Southern Baptist Convention, released a book about his daughter’s suicide in an effort to bring awareness to how churches work with people who have mental health issues.
“In the Christian community, sometimes – not always – we like things to be in pretty little packages and everybody to be happy,” he told the Huffington Post in June. “Sometimes we’re not as honest as we ought to be, not as transparent as we should be. Sometimes there are churches that do deal honestly with these things and we need more of that.”
Fierce, intelligent, and funny
Man has debated the existence of God for centuries, so while we probably won’t settle things in a few minutes on a late-night talk show, we’ll be damned if we aren’t gonna try. John Fugelsang and Jamie Kilstein attempt to hash it out once and for all.
Sep 11, 2013
From and with permission of End the Lie.com
Professor Dawkins said it was now possible to go to a dinner party and assume no one was religious.
“I think on the whole we are winning,” he told The Times. “We are all moving in the same direction. I get the feeling more and more that religion is being left behind.”
“You do not have to be reticent in what you say. You do not have to look around and say, ‘I hope I am not offending anyone’. You can pretty much speak your mind now in a way that you could not 50 years ago.”
Prof Dawkins said he did not believe that religion had any moral value. “But I do believe it has had, historically, artistic value,” he said.
His comments come a month after he became embroiled in a Twitter row after saying the last time Muslims contributed something worthwhile was during the Middle Ages.
He went on to argue that although Muslims were responsible for many achievements during the Dark Ages, including alchemy and algebra, their contribution since then was questionable.
At the launch of his memoir, An Appetite for Wonder, this week Prof Dawkins said he would like his legacy to consist of being known as a “lover of truth”, and as “a believer in the possibility of discovering objective truth by scientific research”.
He claimed to have some sympathy for the Anglican Church and to enjoy reading the Bible but condemned a small minority who he said were still ignorant of science.
He cited research which said some people in Britain believed humans coexisted with dinosaurs, he said.
Prof Dawkins made his name as an evolutionary biologist with his 1976 book, The Selfish Gene
We have a new contributor at Tales. Vasu has been leaving essays of epic proportions on the Comments section, so obviously he is eager to eager to reach out say something. I asked him to pick a topic and run with it.
Personally, I hate this topic. “Let the woman decide, mind your business” is my philosophy, but what do I know? My head is still spinning from reading Vasu’s take on things. Lou
Writer and activist Vasu Murti was born and raised in Southern California in a family of South Indian Brahmins. He holds degrees in Physics and Applied Mathematics from the University of California.
Vasu has written articles on a number of topics, including: secularism, science and religion, animal rights, nuclear power, handgun control, Buddhism, abortion, illegal immigration, and ending marijuana prohibition.
Katie McDonough writes on Salon.com These are the 34 states that fund crisis pregnancy centers with taxpayer dollars – Salon.com. :
“It is no secret that crisis pregnancy centers lie to women. But what many Americans may not know is that, in 34 states across the country, these antiabortion centers are able to stay in business thanks to funding from taxpayers. Yes. And unless these crisis pregnancy centers are completely secular, this violates church-state separation...one thing remains consistent: 34 state governments across the country are using taxpayer dollars to support groups that use lies and medical misinformation to keep women from obtaining safe abortion care.” –Katie McDonough
Yes, she’s correct: crisis pregnancy centers shouldn’t resort to lies and medical misinformation to protect the unborn.
At a pro-life demonstration years ago, when Father Frank Pavone of Priests For Life asked Alveda King, the niece of Dr. Martin Luther King if the pro-life demonstrations were comparable to the civil rights movement, she replied, “Father, this IS the civil rights movement!”
If protecting unborn children is a noble cause and calling, a just and religious cause, like the civil rights movement, why should pro-lifers have to resort to lies and deception?
The Ten Commandments warn against bearing false witness.
Jesus, in his Sermon on the Mount, said: “Let your word ‘yes’ be yes and your ‘no,’ no. Anything beyond this is from the evil one.”
(Isn’t Satan known as a deceiver?)
Even the apostle Paul, who taught a completely different theology than that of Jesus, condemned dishonesty (Colossians 3:13).
Boy, they “believe”!
“…some states funnel family planning funds directly to these centers… Some states, like Virginia, sell ‘Choose Life’ license plate frames and send the proceeds directly to these antiabortion groups…” –Katie McDonough
To be fair, it must be pointed out that on the Democrats For Life email list over decade ago, Louis Shapiro. Shapiro is a Jewish name, but he is Catholic, asked: why do abortion-rights advocates, who prefer to call themselves “pro-choice” rather than “pro-abortion,” object to “Choose Life” license plate frames, when the slogan capitulates to the other side by inferring “Choice” ?
I’ve pointed out before that religious pro-lifers dictate to those outside of their faith… but react with disbelief (“God!”) when told it’s wrong to kill animals.
If their interpretation of Christianity “exempts” these Christians from protecting animals, are pro-choice Christians similarly exempt from protecting the unborn?
If you carry pro-life Christian sectarianism to its logical conclusion, religious pro-lifers (resisting animal rights on sectarian or religious grounds) can’t oppose abortion, either, if someone else’s religion permits it!
Similarly: if you carry the abortion-rights philosophy of “Choice” to its logical conclusion, then pro-choicers, claiming to believe in “Choice,” are hardly in a position to object to crisis pregnancy centers offering girls and women facing an unplanned pregnancy an alternative (a choice!) other than abortion!
If Planned Parenthood believes in “Choice,” they must similarly allow their contributors a choice as to whether or not they want their donations to fund abortions, or merely health related services, contraception, sex education, etc.
(Perhaps if Planned Parenthood allowed donors a choice on abortion, their funding for abortion would quickly dry up!)
And if the Democratic Party believes in “Choice,” they must offer their constituents a choice of whether to become pro-life Democrats or pro-choice Democrats.
Vasu Murti is the author of They Shall Not Hurt or Destroy: Animal Rights and Vegetarianism in the Western Religious Traditions and
The Liberal Case Against Abortion.
Democrats For Life of America, 601 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW, South Building, Suite 900, Washington, DC 20004 (202) 220-3066
MailOnline can today reveal the first close-up pictures of the Church of Scientology’s ‘alien space cathedral’ built in a remote part of the New Mexico desert.
The mysterious building which leads to an underground vault sits next to two giant symbols carved into the ground – believed to be markers for the religion’s followers to find their way back from the ends of the universe after humanity is destroyed in the future.
While no one knows the definite meaning of the pair of overlapping circles, each with a diamond in them, it is believed to have been trademarked by the Church of Technology, a branch of Scientology.
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‘Space alien cathedral’: Aerial pictures taken from a helicopter hovering above a Scientology complex in New Mexico show a house-like structure built into the side of a mountain
Secret vault: Behind the three-story house it is believed there are tunnels dug hundreds of feet deep into the rock that contain L. Ron Hubbard’s texts engraved on stainless steel tablets or gold discs
Mystery symbols: The two giant overlapping circles, each with a diamond in them, are believed to have been trademarked by the Church of Technology, a branch of Scientology
Signs: The symbols are thought to be landing markers, which signify a ‘return point’ so members of the church know where they can find the works of church founder L. Ron Hubbard
It is believed that they are a ‘return point’ so members of the church know where they can find the works of founder L. Ron Hubbard when they come back from space after a nuclear catastrophe wipes out the human race.
For behind the three-story house are tunnels dug hundreds of feet deep into the rock. Inside them are Hubbard’s texts, believed to have been either engraved on stainless steel tablets or gold discs and encased in titanium capsules underground.
Previously, the world has only seen grainy satellite images and blurry pictures of the top-secret Trementina Base, but these are the first fascinating photographs of the structure up-close.
Time capsule: A police officer who was given a tour of the ‘alien space cathedral’ in the 1990s reported seeing machines for copying the works of church founder L. Ron Hubbard
Mapped: This map shows the location of the secret Trementina Base in the New Mexico desert
Puzzling images: Similar symbols have been spotted from the air near Lake Arrowhead in San Bernardino, California
The aerial pictures taken from a helicopter show the house-like structure that covers the entrance to the vault.
Green and beige, the house is built against a flat, stone buttress that blends into the mountain itself.
Down a paved path is a mile-long landing strip, water storage units as well as several RV trailers. The entire complex of buildings and temporary structures sits atop 50-60 acres nestled in the heart of the New Mexico desert 20 miles west of the nearest town of Las Vegas.
Core beliefs: Hubbard (left) wrote a book outlining the concept of Dianetics – a set of ideas and practices regarding the metaphysical relationship between the mind and body
Enigmatic: Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, better known as L. Ron Hubbard and often referred to by his initials, LRH, was an American pulp fiction author and the founder of the Church of Scientology
During a recent flyover, the compound appeared uninhabited, except for a solitary dog walking the grounds.
Tim Gallagos, ex-police chief of the Las Vegas, New Mexico, Sheriff’s Department, was given a tour of the vault by church officials in the late 1990s.
He is believed to be the only non-Scientologist to have ever visited the site.
He told MailOnline that within the stone walls are several machines for copying the works of Hubbard.
He explained: ‘They were transferring writings, speeches and videos. This vault is like a giant time capsuleand they told me all the scriptures are being kept there.’
Harsh landscape: This image shows what is believed to be a dried-up man-made lake with a picnic area in the middle
Inviting: This complex topped with green roofs was described as a ‘welcome center,’ built with a small courtyard in the middle
Uninhabited: No people were observed on the grounds of the remote Scientology base, with only a dog walking around
Gallagos was also given a tour of the ‘welcome center,’ built with a small courtyard in the middle, though he told us he only saw two people on the entire tour.
He described to us the small living quarters nearby: ‘The house next to the vault had a small room, kitchen and living area, but there was no technology – no phone, TV, internet. I wouldn’t want to live there.’
He explained why he asked for a tour of the complex.
‘I visited the base because we wanted to dispel the rumors that there were cameras in the trees and sharp shooters hiding everywhere, waiting to kill anyone who entered.
‘I didn’t see that, but my visit was planned and so they wouldn’t show me any bad side [if there was one].’
In the past, the world has only seen grainy satellite images and blurry pictures of the top-secret Trementina Base
Pricey: A BBC journalist reported that the ‘space alien cathedral’ was built deep underground by the church in the 1980s at the cost of millions of dollars
‘It did feel like they were hiding something. I wasn’t allowed to go into certain areas. I know when people are lying to me, I can tell from their body language and voice they were concealing something.’
He added, ‘I was suspicious of it, the whole thing.’
Ex-Scientologists told BBC journalist John Sweeney that the ‘alien space cathedral’ was built deep underground by the church in the 1980s at the cost of millions of dollars.
Well kept: Although no people have been observed at the compound, all the buildings and surrounding grounds appear to be well-maintained
‘Alien’ runway: The base includes a mile-long landing strip believed to have been built in case L. Ron Hubbard returns to Earth
Remote: The entire complex of buildings and temporary structures, including RV trailers, sits atop 50-60 acres nestled in the heart of the New Mexico desert
In his book The Church of Fear – Inside the Weird World of Scientology, he reports how he was told the vault ‘houses the lectures of church founder L Ron Hubbard on gold discs locked in titanium caskets sealed with argon. The cathedral is H-bomb proof, protected by three 5,000lb stainless steel airlocks.’
He adds: ‘Experts say the weird signs on top of the mountain will guide Clears, [high-ranking Scientologists] returning from space to find Hubbard’s works after a nuclear Armageddon wipes out humanity.’
The Church of Scientology was founded in 1953 by American science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard, who wrote that 75 million years ago, an alien ruler called Xenu brought billions of his people to Earth in a spaceship and then killed them in a bomb blast, leaving their spirits to wander around and harm the living.
Following Scientology, according to Hubbard, means you can be clear of these malevolent spirits.
Scientology describes itself as the study and handling of the spirit in relationship to itself, others, and all of life. One purpose of Scientology, as stated by the Church, is to become certain of one’s spiritual existence and one’s relationship to God, or the ‘Supreme Being.’
To progress up the Scientology ladder, followers have to complete a number of courses and be ‘Clear’ in Dianetics. This is a state, according to Hubbard, when a human ‘no longer has his own reactive mind and therefore suffers none of the ill-effects that the reactive mind can cause.’
The Church believes that humans suffer unwanted and negative feelings, which lead to illnesses. If every person applies Dianetics in their life, they can be ‘Clear’, or free, of these feelings and therefore avoid sickness.
The next stage is to achieve Operating Thetan levels, or OTs for short. There are eight levels before the truth of Scientology can be fully revealed. It is believed that it took actor Tom Cruise five years and $100,000 to reach this level.
The gall of those Saudis wanting freedom. Good info on what is happening in Saudi Arabia, as there is almost no coverage of the Saudi rebellion on any news. We have to get it from Russian sites. On the other hand, RT is becoming a leader in world news these days. Welcome to the free world. Lou
August 13, 2013
Religious people are likely to be less intelligent than their atheist counterparts, a study claims. The analysis, which looked at almost a century of data, found a negative correlation between high IQs and religiosity.
Professors Miron Zuckerman and Jordan Silberman, from the University of Rochester, looked at 63 studies in the field carried out between 1938 and 2012. In their paper, entitled “The Relation Between Intelligence and Religiosity: A Meta-Analysis and Some Proposed Explanations,” Zuckerman and Silberman drew the conclusion that the majority of studies found that more intelligent people were less likely to subscribe to organized religion.
Out of the 63 surveys, 53 showed a negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity, while only 10 displayed a positive one.
They found that infants with higher intelligence would be more likely to reject religion. Furthermore, older people with above average IQ are less religious, the study suggests.
“Our conclusion is not new,” Zuckerman said. “If you count the number of studies which find a positive correlation against those that find a negative correlation, you can draw the same conclusion because most studies find a negative correlation.”
He noted that what set his study apart was the emphasis on statistical analysis.
The paper defines intelligence as the capacity for analytical thought, problem solving and the understanding of complex ideas. In this way, it assumes that subscribing to a set of religious ideas not grounded in science and reason would repulse an individual with above average intelligence.
“Most extant explanations (of a negative relation) share one central theme —the premise that religious beliefs are irrational, not anchored in science, not testable and, therefore, unappealing to intelligent people who ‘know better’,” the study concludes.
Other factors such as gender or education have no bearing on the correlation between intelligence and religious belief, the study says. However, the study suggests that individuals with a higher IQ who reside in predominantly religious communities were more likely to resist dogma, because they are less inclined to conform.
Despite the ample statistical analysis, the study hits a few stumbling blocks. Firstly it only takes into account analytical intelligence, disregarding creative and emotional intelligence. Moreover, it could be argued the study is not representative, as over 87 per cent of the participants involved in the various studies were from the US, the UK and Canada.
Also, the predominant religion is the study is Protestantism, while other beliefs are not investigated.
The academics only looked at two studies that investigated the relationship between religiosity and intelligence in other cultures, namely Japan and Latin America.